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Mon, Jan 12, 2009 09:21 PM
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I have some flyers made up. We had been attempting to spread the word and get some more traffic on here. Would love to meet and discuss. Lisa |
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Comment by
pioneersquare
January 13, 2009
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uh
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| uh ok? Good luck on getting face to face meetings and standing in a park telling stories and the PSA is about as useful as tits on a bull, can anyone say Fire Festival! I don't mean to bash your post, but I really don't think you know what you are in for when it comes to Pioneer Square, no one cares but the residents, no one ever listens. The typical response you will hear "what did you expect when you moved to Pioneer Square". | |
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Eithan
January 14, 2009
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yup
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You have to admit that things are better here than they were in the 70s and 80s. PS has never been, and hopefully never will be gentrified. I don't want to live in a sanitized version of "old Seattle." But I also don't want to get gunned down in a drive-by. I agree that most Seattlites won't really care that kids can't play in Occidental park, or that you can't stand on corners in the rain at 2:30 a.m. without getting shot, but Seattle really does need to step it up about all the gang warfare, and if a few people making noise helps out, then why not? The people I really feel bad for are the businesses. It's hard enough being a small business owner without having to deal with all the shoplifting, loitering, knife and gun wielding crack heads. So I'm willing to put in a bit of energy to try and help them out. Maybe TV spots and block watches aren't the magic solution, who knows what (or who) you have to do to get things done in Seattle, it seems the liquor control board is the only group that can accomplish anything. I think that PS with kids will be hard, and I don't think City Hall/SPD will be very responsive, but we, the residents, do need to take some responsibility for the area, and if that's all that comes out of this, so be it. |
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Comment by
Elizabeth
January 15, 2009
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Other cities have done it!
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You guys, other cities have done this. Controlled and cleaned up crime in areas so much worse than this. I've personally done it once, in major crack epidemic, in a poor community that had a police force so corrupt that even the police chief was on the take. It wasn't just drug dealer on drug dealer crime, either. My neighbor, one block over, was shot and killed in a carjacking at 6 PM (still bright daylight). She was a newlywed and her husband held her as she bled to death in the driveway. People were terrified. It was totally out-of-control. If that situation wasn't a lost cause, I don't know what you would call it. Today, while New Orleans is hardly gentrified, especially after Katrina, that neighborhood has remained safe and has thrived since the neighbors got together and took a stand. In the early 90's it was littered with crack house and abandoned buildings. Today, it is an artistic community with shops and restaurants. Like all of New Orleans, it is still more dangerous that almost anywhere in Seattle, including Pioneer Square at any time of day, but we did turn it around. I know those things sound hokey, a crime watch sign, but it *is* how things get started. Press is how you change public perceptions. Face to face meetings, and anyone can get them...elected officials are your employees (and that's not naive, that's my line of work so I know what I am talking about there), can be scheduled. These are small steps but they add up to resetting expectations. I think Eilian's comment (thank you Eilian, by the way, for being so polite and civil when disagreeing) mirrors the way the entire city feels. Pioneer Square is a lost cause, Pioneer Square is a dumping ground, you get what you deserve when you move there. I'll speak for myself here to say: not good enough for me. Pioneer Square is the crown jewel of the city. It's beautiful. It's artistic. There are tons of great independent businesses everywhere. The living spaces are cool. There are beautiful public spaces. I think everyone has a different defination of gentrification. Some people think that means families, others think it means wealth, others think it means mainstream businesses, others think it's a war on the homeless, although I don't think anyone on this site is thinking in that direction. For me, I don't really know what that means. Is Fremont gentrified? Is Ballard gentrified? I just know that I go over there and I see lots of young, hyper-creative people getting to do their thing. Opening businesses, designing clothes, making art, cooking. To me, that's a good thing and that's what I'd like to see in the Square. I think street crime and public perception pays a role in that absence and that can be changed. It's a 5-7 year project, but it can be changed. If you could wave a magic wand, and make things in PS be exactly the way you want them, what would it look like? Maybe it's perfect for you? Has it gone up/downhill or stayed the same? Is crime a major factor in your life or not? Does it impact your business? I'm so curious to hear, especially the people who have lived here for a long time. Please delurk and give your thoughts. PS It's okay to say I'm a wingnut who doesn't know what she's getting into. I can handle it :) Annie |
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Comment by
Annie
January 15, 2009
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also, another thank you to PS Video for setting this up...
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This kind of open forum is so heathy for any neighborhood. Just having a chance to air your opinions and hear from other people's experiences is great. I know it takes tons of time and energy to run this so.... Thanks you PS Video! Annie |
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Comment by
Annie
January 15, 2009
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The problem with Fremont...
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You know what, I don't want Pioneer Square to ever look like Fremont or Ballard. I chose not to move there because it wasn't what I was looking for. I like that Pioneer Square has a gritty history, I like that you're forced to deal with a wide range of people from a wide range of socio-economic classes. I like that there's a dark, underworld feeling. I find that very energizing and I think it's a source of a lot of creative and artistic inspiration. A little history on Ballard and Fremont. Until the late 90s, they were cool, neighborhoody, funky places to be. There was an actual community that had grown up there. Then they became gentrified, a bunch of soulless condos were built, and that identity has been compromised since. A lot of people lost their sense of belonging. Pioneer Square is awesome because it has a particular feel, it has a cohesiveness from its architecture which is rightly protected by the Pioneer Square Conservation Association. (The building you live in is a good example of what happens without that kind of oversight.) This area has a history of sheltering a certain segment of society, as the original Skid Row this has always been a magnet for people on the fringes of society. Much like Ballard was the Norwegian neighborhood, Pioneer Square was the neighborhood for a part of society that didn't really fit in the mainstream. And that's really, really cool. What's not cool is violence, drugs, and guns. The Larry's Nightclub saga of 2006 was a big turning point in cleaning up the area. If you are not familiar with that event, please look it up, it's a really interesting study on how things work in Seattle. I'm happy to work on reducing violence and drug use, but I never, ever, ever want to see Pioneer Square turn into Fremont. That would really suck. |
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Comment by
Elizabeth
January 16, 2009
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RE: The problem with Fremont...
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| While I agree with a lot of what you have said in your post. I do not see anything wrong with some new development as long as it meets the regulations of our historical area. The more people move down here from all over the states or world. Means that these individuals will each be investing in our community. If you want to see all the funky cool galleries, showrooms, cafes and boutiques they need to be supported by a local community. And current Pioneer square does not have enough locals living here to support this. While I have nothing wrong with the idea of living amongst the drifters, drug addicts and non contributing members of our society. I would like to be surrounded more by a community of individuals whose identify with similar interest as my own. | |
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Comment by
local artist
February 07, 2009
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